Talk:List of titles and honours of Elizabeth II

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the List of titles and honours of Elizabeth II article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1: 12 months

List of titles and honours of Elizabeth II was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
December 8, 2003	Peer review	Reviewed
June 7, 2006	Good article nominee	Not listed

Current status: Former good article nominee

British Royalty Top‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject British Royalty (a child project of the Royalty and Nobility Work Group), an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to British Royalty on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you should visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.British RoyaltyWikipedia:WikiProject British RoyaltyTemplate:WikiProject British RoyaltyBritish royalty
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Commonwealth

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Commonwealth, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Commonwealth of Nations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CommonwealthWikipedia:WikiProject CommonwealthTemplate:WikiProject CommonwealthCommonwealth

removal of alternative style "Ma'am"

Does everyone agree with the recent removal of the alternative style "Ma'am"? I think that this should remain, being as it has a very long tradition behind it. But I will abide by the consensus. --L.Smithfield (talk) 04:14, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Queen of South Africa

Wasn't she Queen of South Africa until 1961? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3001:600:4A00:AD6F:CE2B:BF3F:C6FB (talk) 16:06, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It's listed in the "Former" section. DrKay (talk) 18:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unofficial

I think this section should be removed. We don't list unofficial awards at other celebrities' articles, and the section has become a dustbin of newspaper headlines that includes puns, jokes and descriptions of her role. DrKay (talk) 11:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've already commented on this section on User:Peter Ormond's talk page. I don't think the section needs to be removed, but it needs to make a clear distinction between titles and nicknames. People in certain places might have special titles they like to use to address the Queen, and those are reasonable to list as "royal titles" even if the Queen herself does not usually use them. But one would never address the Queen by using a nickname like The World's Sweetheart: that is not a "royal title" in any way. I'd suggest listing such nicknames in a standalone section at the very end of this article. Cobblet (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Cobblet: Hope that now it looks fine. Peter Ormond 💬 19:47, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking steps to address these concerns. List of traditional titles borne by the Heads of State of Nigeria says Oba Obirin ti Ile Nigeria is simply the Yoruba translation of Queen of Nigeria, while you write in the latter article that it's a colloquialism. The beginning of the video you've cited gives only oba obirin, and implies ("or in its own language") that it's a translation. Maybe I missed something since I didn't watch the entire video, but if it's just a translation, it should be removed, as Queen of Nigeria is already listed as a former regnal title.

Also, does it actually make sense to ascribe dates to any of the nicknames, or sobriquets as you've called them? For instance, I'd be surprised if any of your sources suggest that 事頭婆 was used in 1952. I'd remove that column if there are similar issues with most of the others. Cobblet (talk) 20:43, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Cobblet: I removed that column in the Sobriquets section and changed Oba Obirin ti Ile Nigeria to just Oba Obirin, as it appears in the source. I don't think Oba Obirin ti Ile Nigeria was the official translation of the title Queen of Nigeria, as it is not explicitly mentioned in any source. The Pathe reel is of the Queen's 1956 Nigeria tour, when she hadn't become the Queen of Nigeria yet. So, Oba Obirin may just be an unofficial title for her. Futher discussions can be held with User:O.ominirabluejack at User talk:O.ominirabluejack#Greetings!, regarding the Yoruba translation at List of traditional titles borne by the Heads of State of Nigeria. Peter Ormond 💬 21:22, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Digging into this a little more deeply, several articles on JSTOR give the term oba obinrin. Now O. or someone else may know if the difference in spelling creates any difference in meaning, but if not, then from those articles, it seems that this was not a title given specifically to Elizabeth II like the other ones you list, but simply the Yoruba term for any female ruler, i.e., a translation of "queen". What do you think? Cobblet (talk) 23:11, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @User:O.ominirabluejack who may know a lot better. Peter Ormond 💬 23:45, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Cobblet and Peter Ormond.

Thank you for drawing my attention to this. I admit that I am far from an expert where my ancestral language is concerned, but I can at least comment on this with a fair amount of authority. Oba Obirin and Oba Obinrin are actually the same title, and translate roughly to the English Queen Regnant. Elizabeth II is not the only holder of the title; the few queens regnant that my tribe has produced were known by the same title. It is also one of the subsidiary titles of the holders of the Iyalode chieftaincy title, in that sense meaning 'ruler of the women'.

Hope this helps.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 12:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Given it is a generic term for queens regnant in Yoruba, I have removed it from the list. Cobblet (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Present title

Elizabeth II is still the Queen. As per the Royal website, Elizabeth II is still referred to as Her Majesty the Queen. The British public refer to her as the Queen and the King's wife has another title, Queen Consort, in order so Elizabeth II can continue being the queen. Likewise, her mother was called the Queen Mother during her reign. She may no longer be monarch as she sadly passed away on 8 September 2022, but she is still the Queen. The title should read : Her Majesty The Queen: 06 February 1952 - present. 2A00:23C7:6482:AA01:29:DE7C:931A:C407 (talk) 06:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

she ceased being "The Queen" upon her death. Even though Queen Camilla was known as "Queen Consort", from the moment of Her husband's ascension she is The Queen Joddd334 (talk) 09:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Needs an explanation of the “The”

In 1936, until she became Queen, she went from simply “Princess” to “The Princess”. I assume this is because she had gone from 3rd-in-line to heir presumptive. However, this article gives NO such explanation for that change.

The addition of the “The”, whether this was a typical styling for heir presumptived, etc. should be explained in this article. Currently, zero explanation is given. SecretName101 (talk) 02:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the definitive article of 'The' proceedings a princely title declares the individual as a child of a monarch. So Prince William is HRH The Prince William, Prince of Wales as child of The King, likewise Princess Margaret was HRH The Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon until her death, although not child of the current monarch, she was the child of a former monarch Joddd334 (talk) 09:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]